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There's a difference between a conservative of today & a Republican.

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Conservative describes more appropriately those to the far right. They comprise the audience of conservative talk radio and preacher land because that is all they have to tune in to. Obviously they wouldn't be caught dead listening to mainstream media so their ideologies are continually reinforced.

These are beliefs that all humans would be far happier, peaceful and content if they could only be forced to conform to standards that most self identifying conservatives would be unable to live up to...because of the fact they have failed to recognize one of the basic elements making up their gem of a saint hood...and that is that by design they are flawed...yes fallible human beings we all are!

To discern the moderate republican would be equal to pushing all the "white folk" west to one side of the nation and leaving all others to the east. Of course by doing this you would have to place a dividing line somewhere near Carson City, Nevada to allow for enough space for those being discerned from the "good people".

Like Chrysler's idea to stop development as a strategy to recover from the economic crisis so is the Republican Leadership's suggestion that all moderates and points left be encouraged to depart the company of those fine right-wing conservatives. You know the ones who are damning the good name of Republicans everywhere. Because if their concepts are followed eventually an Independent body will have to consume the ruins and apply a label to whatever they can get to sell.

With regards to the 09 elections I am neither overly shocked nor moved but do hope that the Administration and the leaders in Washington devise a better strategy in moving forward because of it. With the subject of health care weighing heavy on the nation...the far right has been able to influence the common people at large that no health coverage is better than what is being suggested by the current Administration.

This clearly shows that you can sell anything if you package it correctly. That is the burden of salesmanship in health care! You are telling a buyer that they will have to pay for what they understand to be an intangible product that they may or may not use. It's a hard sale especially during what is a recession to some and depression to others (depending on if you're employed, have shelter and regular meals).

Politically for the Democrats it would be well worth it to get the economy rolling and people feeling secure about their lives before pitching a health care package. It would also give those far right conservatives less fuel to throw on their fires at cross burnings.

There would be nothing finer than to see a group of Republicans and a group of Democrats however small join together and lay down the swords of labeling and division and proclaim that their mission is to work together for the better good of the people of the United States and its territories…then do it!

Sadly in doing so they would be blackballed by their fellow party members whose main interests is to rule by majority for the judgments they extol that we must all adhere to!

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The "Big Tent" GOP of Ronald Reagan seems in danger. Reagan's rule of not speaking against a fellow Republican was thoroughly rejected in the 2008 races as candidates sought to distance themselves fron the Bush-Cheney years. Years before these elections, the radicalization of the GOP already was underway and the concept of the RHINO was born. Frank Rich writes:

"'IT is time to water the tree of liberty' said the sign carried by a gun-toting protester milling outside President Obama's town-hall meeting in New Hampshire two weeks ago. The Thomas Jefferson quote that inspired this message, of course, said nothing about water: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." That's the beauty of a gun — you don't have to spell out the "blood."

The protester was a nut. America has never had a shortage of them. But what's Tom Coburn's excuse? Coburn is a Republican senator from Oklahoma, where 168 people were murdered by right-wing psychopaths who bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995. Their leader, Timothy McVeigh, had the Jefferson quote on his T-shirt when he committed this act of mass murder. Yet last Sunday, when asked by David Gregory on "Meet the Press" if he was troubled by current threats of 'violence against the government,"'Coburn blamed not the nuts but the government.

'Well, I'm troubled any time when we stop having confidence in our government," the senator said, "but we've earned it.'

Coburn is nothing if not consistent. In the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, he was part of a House contingent that helped delay and soften an antiterrorism bill. This cohort even tried to strip out a provision blocking domestic fund-raising by foreign terrorist organizations like Hamas. Why? The far right, in league with the National Rifle Association, was angry at the federal government for aggressively policing America's self-appointed militias.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/opinion/23rich.html

Some Republican leaders even argue for seccession. Gov. Rick Perry made headlines by presenting the rationale for secession, as Dick Polman reported:

"He said that Texans 'are fed up with what's coming out of Washington,' and therefore they've been inspired to "debate" certain questions among themselves, notably 'can we secede.' And just to clarify his remarks further, a gubernatorial spokeswoman said that Perry indeed believes Texas can secede if it so chooses.

Every time you think that the GOP can't sink any lower, it does. This is an elected chief executive of a major state, behaving in public the way Rush or Glenn behaves at the mike. Perry, we can assume, doesn't truly believe that Texas would or should rebel against Obama by reverting to the Lone Star status it enjoyed prior to 1845. But he's clearly comfortable pandering openly to the 'right-wing extremists' (his terminology) who deem secession to be a fine idea; according to a new Rasmussen poll released Friday, 18 percent of Texans say that, if given the chance, they'd vote to secede.

Ultimately, however, the Texas governor is further feeding the perception these days that the GOP is simply off its rocker. Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio lamented the other day, in remarks to The New York Times, that independent swing voters are turned off these days to the GOP, because 'the more extreme the language, the less likely they are to pay attention. We sound like white noise in the background. It's like a yipping Chihuahua.'

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/americandebate/Windbag_talk_in_Texas.html

Part of the radicalization of the GOP is the use of front groups which receive funding ( such as Armey's $2500,000 salary)and other support. Dick Armey's group, Freedom Works, worked with another group called Americans for Prospertiy which is a front group for the Koch family that went from funding the John Birch Society to the right-wing Cato Institute and the Town Hall Mobs of August.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Freedomworks
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Koch_Industries

These groups, as noted, form alliances with other groups and the result is a bigger crowd for TV cameras MediaMatters also reports:

"FreedomWorks VP encouraged town hall protests. In an August 3 blog post on the website of FreedomWorks, a group chaired by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-TX), Max Pappas, a vice president of the group, linked to video of protesters disrupting a June 22 town hall meeting for Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and said: 'Members of the US House of Representatives are back home for August recess and are getting an earful from their constituents about current plans for a massive government intervention into health care and attempts to raise taxes on energy use through cap-and-trade.' He added: '[B]e sure to show up, bring some friends, and them know what you think.' FreedomWorks campaign coordinatior: Disruption of Specter town hall "a must emulate." In an August 3 blog post, FreedomWorks campaign coordinator Nan Swift linked to video of protesters interrupting Sen. Arlen Specter's (D-PA) town hall in Philadelphia, stating it was 'a must emulate at town halls across the country over the next month.' Americans for Prosperity reportedly conducting 13-state anti-health reform tour. 'A 13-state tour aiming to rally patients to speak out against President Barack Obama's desired health-care overhaul is scheduled to kick off in Richmond this weekend. Americans for Prosperity's 'Patients First' bus tour will start Saturday at a Richmond-area Tea Party, before traveling around the country and through the states of key U.S. senators in the health-care debate, said Ben Marchi, state director of Americans for Prosperity. Organizers will urge constituents to call or visit their senators and sign a petition that asks members of Congress to 'oppose any legislation that imposes greater government control over my health care that would mean fewer choices for me and my family and even deny treatments to those in need.' " [Richmond Times-Dispatch; 7/23/09]

http://mediamatters.org/research/200908050017

Following a fomula for succes, the "birther" fanatics adopted these "Town Hall tactics:"

"Birthers disrupted a congressional town hall. 'At a town hall meeting in Georgetown [Delaware], a woman demanded to know why [Rep. Mike] Castle and his colleagues were'ignoring questions about Obama's birth certificate -- questions that have been put to rest repeatedly by state officials in Hawaii, where the birth certificate and all other credible evidence show that Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961. When Castle countered that Obama is, in fact, 'a citizen of the United States,' the crowd erupted in boos, the woman seized control of the gathering and led a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance.' [Politico; 7/27/09] Birther 'ringleader"'Orly Taitz called on people to 'demand action' on birth certificate at town halls. 'Moments after speaking with POLITICO Saturday, Taitz posted a call to arms on her blog: 'I believe it is a serious concern and I hope that each and every decent American comes to town hall meetings with a video camera and demands action,' she wrote.'" [Politico; 7/27/09]

http://mediamatters.org/research/200908050017

Many observers correctly assess that there is a serious split in the GOP aside from the tactic of consevatives distancing themselves from the neoconism of Bush-Cheney and that the party is being transformed. John Batchelor cooments:

"The GOP, reduced to hosting loonies who obsess over Obama's birthplace, is slipping into the ash heap. The Daily Beast's John Batchelor on why Republican incoherence may doom the party to the fate of the Whigs.

The romantic yarn that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, not in the United States, and is therefore an illegitimate POTUS is the core of a still-evolving conspiracy theory that now explodes like a neutron stink bomb splashing on the right wing while leaving the center and left idly smiling and curious.

What is going on with the despondent Republican Party that it hosts loonies called the birthers in its ranks?

The birther episode is not a media story, or even a story about Obama's unique youth, but another illustration of the slow-motion decomposition of the GOP. "

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-28/paranoids-ate-my-party/

However, the radicalization of the GOP does not stop with the use of "astroturf grassroots movements." The party is engaged in a purge of Republicans who once led the party in more reasonable times:

"BOSTON — As if the Republicans weren't having enough trouble with defectors, they've gone on a purge. There was Dick Cheney on "Face the Nation." Asked to pick between a GOP like Rush Limbaugh or Colin Powell, the former Veep not only chose Rush but snarkily crossed the general off the party list, saying, "I didn't know he was still a Republican."

This was less than two weeks after Arlen Specter assessed the odds of winning a Republican primary in Pennsylvania at exactly zip. Even the man who bullied Anita Hill and still favors Norm Coleman over Al Franken was pushed to the other side of the aisle.

The not-so-fond farewells that pursued Specter were nothing compared to the GOP un-eulogies for David Souter. The justice who had been anointed by Republican Sen. Warren Rudman, nominated by Republican George H.W. Bush, and confirmed with overwhelming Republican Senate support was excommunicated as a faux member of the party.

You will not be surprised at what these three purgees have in common: They are all supporters of a woman's right to choose. Nor will you be surprised that abortion is the purity test for remaining in the GOP inner circle. Indeed, this test will be given again in the wrangling over Souter's replacement. Unless President Obama nominates Robert Bork to the Supreme Court, we are in for another battle centered, again, on Roe v. Wade.

We forget sometimes that the GOP was not always like this. Not that long ago, we had pro-choicers like Barry Goldwater. Or Ronald Reagan, Act One. Or George H.W. Bush, who was pro-choice before he was pro-victory. The northeast quadrant of the country was once home turf to pro-choice Republican women from Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger to Barbara Bush. Now we are down to two female Republican senators from Maine who may yet be banned from taking communion with their fellow congressional parishioners."

http://m.missoulian.com/news/opinion/columnists/syndicated/article_0e4e5afd-f35b-5c89-a9bf-1291250c0ddc.html

The purge list is long and moderate Republicans compained about the state of affairs at the Republican Convention in 2004 as Michelle Malkin poited out:

"More than half the Republicans in the House have signed a formal complaint to President Bush about the failure to give prominent conservative, pro-life party members a single prime-time speaking slot. The members are asking to add Henry Hyde to the speaking roster."

http://michellemalkin.com/2004/07/17/conservatives-not-welcome/

In 2008, the convention had not changed its radical ways, despite calls for change by Rep. Paul Ryan and Steve Schmidt, McCain's campaign manager, as Sam Stein noticed:

"...an appearance at The Atlantic's First Draft of History conference, the longtime GOP strategist did argue that individual Republicans, notably Rep, Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.), were 'advancing ideas' on health care legislation.

'But the party holistically is bereft of ideas,'Schmidt added.

The remarks come at a time when Republicans are already beating back accusations that the party has not been a viable or honest bargaining partner during reform negotiations. As such, they seem destined to even further Schmidt's alienation within conservative ranks. Earlier in his speech, the McCain strategist ruffled feathers when he predicted that if former VP candidate Sarah Palin -- whom he helped pick as McCain's running mate -- were to be the Republican presidential candidate in 2012, it would be 'catastrophic' 'for the party."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/02/schmidt-the-gop-holistica_n_307817.html

Texas Senator John Cornyn, who heads up the GOP's Seante Campaign for 2010 understands the danger of the radicalization of his party:

"'If conservatives, people who vote like me, want to distance themselves from moderates in our party, then we will engage in a circular firing squad that will mean we will be a permanent minority," Cornyn said, echoing comments he made during a recent gathering of conservatives in Washington.

"'My point is, we need to have Republicans—big enough party, big enough tent, inclusive enough—to recruit candidates who can win and so we shouldn't have either a litmus test or some metric that says you have to be like me or you're not welcome,'he said."

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2009/03/conservative-cornyn-warns-illinois-gop-against-litmus-test.html

The impact of this radicalization already is being felt in New York where a GOP moderate already has withdrawn though she had the party's nomination:

"Reporting from Washington - For the moment, at least, the conservative insurgency in upstate New York can claim a victory.

The moderate Republican candidate in a special congressional election, Dede Scozzafava, dropped out of the race Saturday, increasing the chances that third-party candidate Doug Hoffman, the conservative favorite, will prevail in Tuesday's vote.

Scozzafava cited a lack of funds in her surprise withdrawal three days before the election. It was a blow to the Republican Party establishment in Washington, which had dutifully lined up behind her even as Hoffman drew escalating support from the party rank and file.

In recent weeks, Hoffman won the backing of prominent conservatives, including former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and commentators Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Volunteers and money flowed into Hoffman's campaign from across the country. National observers began to view the race for New York's 23rd Congressional District as a struggle for the GOP's soul. "

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ny-gop1-2009nov01,0,6899829.story

The Radical Right in the GOP now calls itself "conservative" and the traditional, Goldwater conservatives are to be purged.

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Reply#1 - Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:36 AM EST
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Ummm.... must not understand what conservative really is...they hijacked the term.

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