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Military Air Base Granted Authority To Deny Local Citizens Building Permits

Tue Feb 2, 2010 10:31 PM EST
politics, obama, weather, arizona, fire, rights, state, las-vegas, open, ice, civil, field, desert, runway, homeowner, closed, terry, goddard, joint-strike-fighter, snow-storm, f35, luke-air-force-base, f15, f16, aux, nellis
By Casey Jones

Luke Air Force Base Arizona

Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard is also a Democratic Candidate for Governor has suggested turning governing management decisions over to the Air Force allowing a Military unit to have above-board control over a civilian population within the United States..

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Construction of single-family homes near Luke Air Force Base in Glendale Arizona is null and so should any plans you might have to move to this city because you will rights to own property and do with it as you wish as been limited in Arizona after a battle between the state, county, municipalities and United States Air Force. The battle will end under a settlement negotiated Tuesday among state and county officials thanks to Arizona's Attorney General Terry Goddard who is also a candidate for Governor of Arizona on the Democratic ticket and that means a lot because as you continue reading things have changed in America...we no longer have the three branches of government…not in Arizona that is any longer!

This agreement ends more than a year of fighting between the Attorney General Terry Goddard and the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors over residential encroachment. The Board of Supervisors is expected to approve the settlement at the direction of the Attorney General.

The settlement requires county officials to prohibit single-family development in high-accident and high-noise areas around Luke base, Luke Aux 1 and Gila Bend Air Force Auxiliary Field.

Goddard sued the county in August 2008 to stop it from issuing building permits for new homes in Luke's restricted areas. The county counter-sued, asking the courts to strike down as unconstitutional the law that prevented building in those areas. Terry Goddard is also a Democratic Candidate for Governor in Arizona this coming election year.

Maricopa County had maintained that landowner property rights prevented the denial of building permits in the restricted zones.

In February, the court ruled in favor of the state, but a fight over a narrow strip of land prolonged the battle.

The "potential crash" "sound zones" "direct pattern flight zones" etc. that are listed extending away from Luke Aux. 1 did not exist until recently. Between 2004 and 2007 the Air Force created these zones where people already live. For them they are left helpless without any compensation should their home burn to the ground (they have a mortgage) but no rebuilding permits will be issued. They can't get simple building permits to upgrade the homes they already own under to what is understood with this agreement. They did not move next to the Air Force Base Runway they were in some cases as far as thirty miles away from it when they built ten, twenty or thirty years ago.

In the "Agreements" second paragraph of the "Conditions" sections remarks refer to the "Noise Corridor" and a that home owner cannot make improvements without first getting a permit from the county which has to be approved according to the "Conditions" by the county supervisors and the Military Airport Officials. The Attorney General Terry Goddard appears to have through this "Agreement" installed the military with governing powers over the people of Arizona by making them the final decider on who can or cannot construct buildings, fences, sidewalks, etc. on their privately owned property.

Until this Goddard's "Agreement" the military was not part of the three branch governing system the U.S. Constitution requires. Since no one in the Military is elected nor appointed by the President of the United States and Confirmed by The Legislative Body. This makes Goddard's 'settlement' sound...well...communistic! Nowhere does is it mentioned that the zones will not be expanded at the will of the Military. Arizona's Attorney General and Democratic Candidate for Governor has through the "Agreement" granted the United States Air Force Commanders and their appointees to now have zoning and building approval privileges!

Don't worry this is not an isolated discriminate party going on. The Army, Air Force, Navy & Marines under Goddard's guidance can place your home under military necessity and place you in the same position as homeowners in the flight path which didn't even exist until the Luke finalized its outline in 2007 the initial survey began in 2004 and that is when the land use issues first originated only it didn't make the papers because it only affected a few, now it affects thousands and tomorrow maybe you since it has worked out so well in Arizona!

In all fairness it must be mentioned that if one does have a valid permit stamped prior to Jan.1 2010 by the military...they can continue to build their project. The military air base officials will allow a Wal Mart, Target, Fry's or Industrial Park to be built in these zones loaded during the daytime with shoppers and workers…it's just homeowners can't occupy houses not completed by today. Property owners and investors are stuck with land now unable to sell because nothing can be done to the land until Surprise, AZ decides to Annex and build a hotel or sports complex on it, the flying jets are no threat to those types of settings and there are no state or county or city restrictions that bar such businesses from being placed within the direct flight paths in fact you could walk into the Maricopa County Building Permit Office tomorrow with your specs and a check book and get to work right away if it was a Wal Mart or Sam's Club you wanted to build within these zones.

The Air Force created these zones after the fact that people had made homes in the area I am referring to. If you are located next to Luke A.F.B. itself…I can understand reasonably why they would have limitations on building close to the runways being used. But I can't reason with the other. We have enjoyed watching the F16's fly over for years and have accepted them as an adopted piece of scenery to the rural deserts. But for the state to abandon homeowners like they have with no regard to helping relocate or balance the offset the recently created zones have caused the homes to devalue is ludicrous!

The Air Force Base is where one should go seeking a building permit for a sidewalk or fence not any county offices since they have been over thrown by a political folly and made legal by a piece of paper the Attorney General sternly encouraged Governor Jan Brewer to sign which grants the military these privileges and governing powers.

Goddard has led the Military to governing powers and granted them something usually only voters do, or the Legislative Body does when it confirms an appointment.

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  • Public Discussion (24)
calmandgentle

What? This doesn't make any sense! People aren't important any more! They pay taxes and the military walks all over them? What are the politicians thinking? Didn't any one think to buy these people out? FAIRLY!!!

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 11:39 PM EST
Maricopa County Resident

What you don't understand is that developers are buying the land and building houses closer and closer to the base and encroach on its safety and noise zones. Once there, they complain about the noise and put the base in jeopardy. We're trying to get the F35 training here and keep the base open as it injects $2B into the economy. Shutting the base down due to people choosing to knowingly moving closer to it will have the effect of cutting off one's nose to spite the face. I don't think you know the whole story.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:16 PM EDT
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Casey Jones

They refused to pay for any land leaving the homeowners and property owners who were yet to build holding the ticket. You can't sell a house where the building permits are going to be an issue. People have tried lawsuit and thier isn't enough resources for them when their up against the Federal Gov, State Gov, and United States Military.

    Reply#2 - Wed Feb 3, 2010 11:58 PM EST
    calmandgentle

    This just isn't right! Any fire sales? So to speak! Not that I'm for this. Just a thought! Eyes rolling up to heaven! Not to make light of their situation.

    Casey, are these people ,retirees? Families? What are their options? Wal-Mart wanted to build another store here in OR. Anyone talk with them? Maybe, they'd buy the properties?

    • 1 vote
    #2.1 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 12:47 AM EST
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    Spikegary

    So, is this winding it's way through to the Supreme Court? I would assume so. I had trouble understanding some of your statements and some of the mixing of state and local government requirments. BTW, many Senior Air Force (and any service for that matter) are, in fact, Presidential Appointments.

    I found another story here about this. Sheds a little more light.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 8:41 AM EST
    calmandgentle

    If I've read both articles correctly, the area was already developing BEFORE the Base changed the Flight path! Why? People were already living there! And building there!! Why didn't the base buy them out and make Base housing or something?

    Spikegary, it is confusing! And the people don't seem to have anyone to talk too. To clarify and work with them. Their frustration level must be quite high. Has this situation happened anywhere else? If so, what did/could they do? These people have probably put all their money into this land. That's why I asked my questions in #2.1. Either case, these people may need help. Maybe Walmart,etc can buy them out?

      Reply#4 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:34 AM EST
      Casey Jones

      The Armed Services should not have community control over the civilian government and/or population in the United States unless we are in a state of public peril and the President so orders...he hasn't done that!

      The residents affected by this range from young couples to retirees. The land is rural and many small horse farms/ranches are built along the flight path and have been for years. In many areas the range is open. The flight path is located off the main highway US60/Grand Ave near Phoenix and there isn't an immediate threat to homes as there is closer to the base which is 15 to 30 miles away depending on where the flight path associated house is located.

      I've heard of similar acts of imminent domain where the government is using private property as public lands and not compensating the owners. The situation in Arizona is that you have local politicians using it as a crutch to limp into office with by promoting the Air Force Presence and discerning those who have been raped fiscally and emotionally by this unbelievable government invasion and seizure of property owner rights.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#5 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 2:31 PM EST
      calmandgentle

      Casey, I agree! I've never heard of this happening, before! The comments made to Spikegary's link were blaming the land/homeowners. When the military, changed the rules! And the politicians helped them!! The civilians should NOT be under the military!

      What are they saying about that highway? It sounds closer than the houses. Do you know if the people are getting together to get lawyers? Sounds like the politicians are in someone's pocket.

      Keep us posted.

        Reply#6 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 3:51 PM EST
        Casey Jones

        A class action lawsuit was brought about by land owners nearly a year ago and a Arizona State Supreme Court Judge Decided in favor of the Air Base at the urging of the A.G.'s Office and handed down an opinion that the Air Force was not taking the land by imminent domain so the state or feds were not responsible for any damages thus no $ for their land being devalued and unsalable.

        The highway is now much a flickering dream for its designers and promoters since the 'economic' downturn has drained most all funding. The State Of Arizona is bankrupt however finds somehow to create highway projects through metro area cities. It would seem to me that all projects should be placed on hold until the State gets on the + side but that is not the way it appears to be going.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#7 - Thu Feb 4, 2010 10:44 PM EST
        calmandgentle

        I think, I misunderstood. I thought the highway was finished and functional. Not so? Are these things all being constructed? Are these jobs being contrived to keep the economy going? Where is the money coming from?

        No wonder, AZ wants to keep the military there. But to sell the citizens down the river isn't right!

        What have those big stores said about buying these people out and building on that land?

          #7.1 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 2:54 AM EST
          Rockwater-1211171

          Not a taking, but all your property rights have mysteriously vaporized.

          The resale value is now zero as no-one in their right mind will purchase property they can not repair or improve.

          Sounds like a taking to me.

          No wonder the AG urged the court to find in favor of the air force. This is probably a test case for other locales.

          What was the urging, "Pick one: Life without IRS audit if you comply or annual IRS audits if you don't?".

          HMMM seems I've developed a cynical streak. Doesn't mean it's not true though.

          As they say, "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you!"

          It would be interesting to see a truly independent thorough study done to find out how many eminent domain suits were lost by the government vs how many were won and under what conditions each was won/lost.

          Of the ones (20-30 or so) I've read about in my 50+ years, not ONE was won by the lowly citizen.

            #7.2 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 8:59 PM EST
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            Casey Jones

            As of now no one is building squat in Arizona. The unemployment rate that I last heard was 12.5, and businesses are not opening here they are closing in addition to Wal Mart and Sam's. We've had one grocery chain that has had to close about 15 stores in the Phoenix metro area. So as for big chains or box type retail stores moving in there is little chance. The biggest draw to the area is the retirement villas in the winter but even those are down in comparison to previous years.

            2 in 5 homes are foreclosed on and more are expected in the coming months. Also Luke A.F.B. graduated 7 pilots in 2009 in the F-16 fighter training program. Not exactly the Colorado Springs Academy.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#9 - Fri Feb 5, 2010 8:17 AM EST
            Casey Jones

            Note this information was sent to casey jones at Newsvine as an email because the sender was unable to get a post to generate. Casey Jones is reposting for the sender to allow the comment to be discussed and information added. If additional leads and confirmations can be made to the comment please notify Casey Jones at Newsvine. Thank you!

            Subject: unable to add a comment to your article?
            Name: Rockwater-1211171
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            I am able to add comments to other articles, but not yours??? I was going to add a comment which generally discusses the unconstitutionality of the action of the air force under amendment 5 provided just compensation is not given. In this case I would think just compensation would include replacement of the home, job(s), loss of friends, pain and suffering. I can see if the air force purchased the properties as, they came up for sale, in a free and open market (thus defining "just compensation" up to a small percentage of the properties as at some "fulcrum" point, the air force purchases would drive down the marketability of properties to to the disassembly of the community. To just prohibit new construction or repair without giving recompense to the current owners is unconscionable. It is in fact one of the reasons for the second amendment. For Congress to allow it is a violation of the oath of office to support and defend the constitution. Please add this comment to your article when possible to do so.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#10 - Sun Feb 7, 2010 2:54 PM EST
            SlipperyJohn

            This happened in Oklahoma City too. The Air Force wanted a clear zone because of the danger posed by aircraft and the city capitulated. Offers were made but citizens involved were told the city would (they did for some) invoke eminent domain. This was the city enforcing what the Air Force wanted and gues what? The evil giants who shall remain anonymous for fear of reprisal all built on the land of the small businesses who were forced out.

            Not all were offered compensation commensurate with the value of their property, whether that value was emotional or realistic. Many were underpaid by their standards and it's not up to me, the city, state or otherwise to place a value on other people's emotional ties to the land unless that value becomes totally unreasonable.

            People, this is what you get unless you use care when voting for your elected officials. All the base closures proved that some were motivated by other means that direct military value. It's another reason to look past party and vote for the candidate who truly represents you interests and well being. Many of these individuals have something to gain long term and that is what we have to discern. The people of America are being conned into slowly giving up their rights.

            Rockwater-1211171 said it best "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you!" Something I have lived my life by.

            Casey Jones - please keep us updated.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#11 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 7:56 PM EST
            SlipperyJohn

            My mistake, but these things tick me off and I was thinking about the evil empires moving in. This eminent domain issue did include homeowners and they were the ones who had the greatest emotional ties. As with the business's, they were run over as if the didn't count.

            On the business end, they were considered eyesores (not really) by those supporting these land grabs. To give the city halls credit, they didn't come out publicly and say that. No matter how you look at it though, this is something happening nationwide under one guise or another.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#12 - Mon Feb 8, 2010 8:12 PM EST
            Casey Jones

            I am continuing to follow this activity. The community is having a meeting Tuesday night where officials from the Air Force are suppose to address them. The full report is at http://wittmannnews.com for those wishing more indepth information on this subject.

            The information on the matter is so lengthy it would be impractable to try to re-post the whole thing here/

            • 1 vote
            Reply#13 - Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:07 AM EST
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            xcomunic8ed

            I always used to laugh when I was stationed at Luke. People would move near the base and bitch about the noise. However, there is good reason to limit building under the flight path, the F-16. The -16 has one engine and if it goes there is nothing stopping it from going down.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#15 - Fri Apr 16, 2010 5:22 PM EDT
            billw001

            high-accident and high-noise areas

            Your an idiot if you want to live there.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#16 - Tue May 18, 2010 9:20 AM EDT
            sue-1001387

            billw001 it should be the peoples choice not government.

              Reply#17 - Fri May 21, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
              billw001

              If that was the case then we would not need OSHA.

              People are stupid.

              • 1 vote
              #17.1 - Tue May 25, 2010 1:55 PM EDT
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              bonipie

              Casey, you said: "the Attorney General sternly encouraged Governor Jan Brewer to sign which grants the military these privileges and governing powers." Did this happen-Jan Brewer signing?

              We were going tomorrow to look at property in the area of Patton Rd. and 235th Ave. The development is great, and prices awsome. We wondered why prices were so good. Then, we found an article about someone living in the area indicating problems with this issue. So, we'd found the reason for the severely depressed prices. Is there any news on this subject? Now, we wouldn't consider buying in an area with such issues hanging over our heads. Life is too short. Currently we are living about 8 miles from the MCAS marine base in Yuma. Makes you want to sell.

                Reply#18 - Sun May 30, 2010 8:30 PM EDT
                Maricopa County Resident

                The city/county or the developer should be a show you a map with overfly zones, etc. You can also take a look at this: http://www.luke.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=6401
                From a metropolitan Phoenix perspective, that's way the heck out there by Speedworld. I think there also may have been other issues; but, I'm about 100 miles from there on the other side of the county so I'm not as up to date with what's happening out there as I am in my corner of the world.

                  #18.1 - Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:57 PM EDT
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                  Suzanne in CA

                  This scenario is happening in the area surrounding March Airfield in Perris, CA...the small family owned businesses are systematically being forced out...the land is devalued, the properties cannot be sold or rented as residential...and new permits to upgrade existing homes are impossible to get. Meanwhile, the new industrial developments look beautiful and modern...lots of landscaping...but they are all vacant and still up for lease! My Dad has owned this property and operated his business for 30 years, and now that he is dead, the heirs cannot get a new business license nor building permits nor new utility services. The only option is to sell the land and beat it the hell out of CA...but that's what 'they' want you to do....just go away...

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